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Airforce Condor Shrouds

Postby highwaytech88 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:08 pm

Airhog Shroud for Airforce Condor. How effective is it?
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Postby Bodhisdad » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:08 pm

I've heard guys who make there own, have better results. Its rated so-so, it won't be mouse fart quiet. Spend the extra with Talon Tunes, have heard good reviews from his shrouds.
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Postby photo22 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:34 pm

Oh yeah, Tony makes a great shroud setup. TalonTunes is the place to be. :D
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Postby ronaldpdq » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:19 am

I called that guy at airhog, he was pretty rude. I won't be doing business with him anytime soon... have talked to Tony a few times (still trying to decide what setup to go with) and he's always been real helpful.
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Postby garytex » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:37 am

I have an Airhog shroud on .22 and .25 Condor, the hammer fall is the loudest sound firing makes if you discount pellet strike noise. Unshrouded, the gun is really loud. I couldn't be happier with the shroud or the customer service.
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Postby ronaldpdq » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:23 pm

garytex wrote:I couldn't be happier with the shroud or the customer service.


Maybe it was just a bad day for him... acted like I was bothering him. * shrugs * Still it was enough to look elsewhere in the future...

So did we ever get a "definitive" answer as to whether it's legal to put a shroud or suppressor on an airgun? my understanding is it is as long as it's not able to be cut off and used on a firearm (not even for one single shot), "any" firearm. Does anyone know if the ones from airhog and talontunes meet that critiria? Thanks
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Postby justforfun » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:36 pm

ronaldpdq wrote:
garytex wrote:I couldn't be happier with the shroud or the customer service.


Maybe it was just a bad day for him... acted like I was bothering him. * shrugs * Still it was enough to look elsewhere in the future...

So did we ever get a "definitive" answer as to whether it's legal to put a shroud or suppressor on an airgun? my understanding is it is as long as it's not able to be cut off and used on a firearm (not even for one single shot), "any" firearm. Does anyone know if the ones from airhog and talontunes meet that critiria? Thanks


Who cares, a LDC is a LDC, does not make it anything but a lead collector. We're just trying to save the environment.

Why would the Feds. not want us to do that?
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Postby ronaldpdq » Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:39 pm

Excuse the ignornace - LDC?? what's that?
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Postby XLR8NSS » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:38 pm

LDC = Lead Dust Collector :)
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Postby knifemaker » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:55 pm

All that is required is for the LDC to have to be modified in any way for it to be used on a firearm. As long as it would have to be modified to work, it is legal. After all, a lawn more muffler will work on a firearm. But it would have to be modified at least a little to fit the firearm. You don't see ATF arresting folks while they are cutting their grass!
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Postby martin777 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:05 pm

If an "LDC" can be adapted to a powder burner and reduce the report by only 1dB the "LDC" is considered a silencer.
Hell-you could cup your hand(s) around the muzzle and reduce the blast more than 1dB! A very grey and subjective area of the law. :roll:
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Postby synopsys » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:05 pm

1db can be the difference of a few grains of powder in the casing...


If you don't own a powder burner does that make the whole silencer thing irrelevant?



Super vague at best, WTF?
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Postby ronaldpdq » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:04 am

synopsys wrote:
If you don't own a powder burner does that make the whole silencer thing irrelevant?


Of course it doesn't.
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Postby ronaldpdq » Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:49 am

I checked with mac1 yesterday, they said they have a .25 condor with shroud setup for about $750, I think I might go that route..
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Postby Cygnus X » Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:22 pm

LDC - Silencer uhh i used the word - Shroud

if it silences a firearm even just a little bit....its illigal
if it can be modded to fit a firearm....its illigal...i heard a story of them doing extensive modding to get a ldc to fit a firearm...and it worked for just that one shot

but.....weirdly enough FX ships the monsoon where the shroud is a reloading mechanism, the whisper where its just a shroud, but could be fittet to a .22lr easy, AA shrouds...and lots of other makers have devices on their airguns to make them more quiet....Gamo has one that really looks like a silencer at the end of the muzzle...but is marketed in the US

if you just shoot in yout yard a shroud is probably fine, but if you use your argun to actually hunt with and run into a ranger...well.....IMHO a shroud is much less likely to raise any eyebrows, than if you have a can at the end of your barrel !

which shroud is best i dont know....most do the job well whether you go with one or the other...buy both return the one you dont like :twisted:
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Postby synopsys » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:36 pm

The total irony and ridiculousness of this comes to light when you search for airsoft silencers...

These things are exact replicas of the originals and when fitted to a handgun or rifle would easily silence the retort 1db, it is totally legal to sell this stuff and I have yet to hear about any issues with regards to the ATFE...

See this:
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/ind ... 60b4c7ac39

This stuff will thread directly onto the barrel of firearms, no modifications needed, the feds need to prove 'intent' over possible adaptability and ease of use, because then wouldn't all that stuff on that page be felonies with regards to firearm silencing...???
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Postby martin777 » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:21 pm

Has anyone had their hands on one of those? Wonder how stout they are?
Would a tweaked Condor balloon it, blow it plum up or just make it mouse-fart quiet? :shock:

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Postby knifemaker » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:11 am

The law was changed in 2007 to state that the silencer would have to be able to be used on the firearm with out modification. It, as written was far too ambiguous. (Too easy for the feds to lose a case.) Otherwise, just about anything is a silencer. The 1 db. still stands. The way it reads
for me is there again, it has to be able to fit a fire arm without modification. Since modification to fit a firearm is part and parcel of the manufacturing of a silencer.

seem the ATF has added a shot of common sense to the law!


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Postby airtight_python » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:11 am

Even given those circumstances. Just about any shroud or LDC would fit on one firearm or another. Then so would pop bottles and potatoes. Just got to stop beatin' the dead horse and accept that in a legal situation against the ATF... you would not win. Best thing to do is keep everything under the table... or as someone on the Crosman forum said.. let the sleeping dog lie.

knifemaker wrote:The law was changed in 2007 to state that the silencer would have to be able to be used on the firearm with out modification. It, as written was far too ambiguous. (Too easy for the feds to lose a case.) Otherwise, just about anything is a silencer. The 1 db. still stands. The way it reads
for me is there again, it has to be able to fit a fire arm without modification. Since modification to fit a firearm is part and parcel of the manufacturing of a silencer.

seem the ATF has added a shot of common sense to the law!


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Postby martin777 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:58 am

knifemaker wrote:The law was changed in 2007 to state that the silencer would have to be able to be used on the firearm with out modification.

Cool! Could you give us a link to that new law? :shock:

Just for the hell of it and because I still could here in Oklahoma, I applied for a license to "Make and Register a Firearm" (silencer=firearm by definition) back in July '07. Throughout the process I talked to several Federales and the general gut feeling I got was kinda ho-hum about air-gun silencers. These folks aren't out to nail some decent tax paying USA citizen for making his Condor more user/dog/indoor shooting friendly. BUT--if you get caught selling drugs, beat your wife/kids or if you drop the neighbor's cat they could add that silencer charge to the list! They have done this nasty trick before.

I received my ATFE permit 4 days after they collected $200.00! :mrgreen:
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